Ep 10. Grief and Spirit

I am speaking to Physic Medium and Grief Coach - Phoebe Young. Being Clairvoyant and Clairaudience, Phoebe has a strong connection to Spirit. I will learn how spirituality and connecting to Spirit helps with grief. Plus I will learn a lot more about the realm of Spirit.

When her father passed to the spirit world he became on of her spirit guides and via channeled writing with him, she wrote a book called 'The Gift'.

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Laura Konst: 0:04

Hi and welcome to the Tali and Loz podcast where we discover spirituality together today with me Phoebe who is a psychic medium and helps to coach grieving grievances with the help of spirituality with spirits and to me it's a very, very interesting subject so I'm going to talk to Phoebe about it and I will definitely learn a lot in this podcast. Hi, Phoebe, how are you? I'm good. How are you? Oh, good. Thank you. Thank you for joining on my podcast.

Phoebe: 0:35

You're welcome.

Laura Konst: 0:36

So tell me tell us a little bit about yourself first. And how did you discover also your psychic mediumship as well?

Phoebe: 0:46

Yeah, so about me, I mean, I could go on for ages but so my psychic mediumship which is probably the easiest place to start started from when I was a child. And so I always saw spirit I was always a child that would wake up terrified in the night, I would always experience kind of unusual things that just didn't really make sense to me as a child, it was quite scary as a child and and as time went on, I kind of distanced myself more and more from those gifts because of fear because I didn't understand what it was it was yeah terrifying so I distance myself more and more. And then my dad passed away in 2009 teen after a three year journey with cancer and there was almost like a huge shift in me when that happened where I first of all felt very safe to start going into my gifts because my dad was in spirit It was kind of like a had a little body guard in a way like he's in spirit. And second of all, it was a huge pool for me there was like this massive kind of like cooling within me like Now it's time you've got to go into it you've got to be brave, don't be scared you can do it. So I started to kind of explore psychic mediumship I knew I needed to have guidance in that because I didn't know much I knew what I saw, but I didn't know what to do with that. So I joined a amazing circle with two ladies who have been mediums for almost 40 years are both incredible. And they kind of Yeah, I've been coaching me for the last couple of years on how to use my mediumship how to protect myself what kind of things you can do and it's really opened my eyes as well into how diverse the world of mediumship is. It's not just your psychic medium and you all see the same it's so wide like how many different abilities people have and what we kind of can give to each other as well to work as a collective. So yeah, that's how I ended up kind of yeah exploring my psychic mediumship

Laura Konst: 2:42

so it has been there since childhood that must be quite scary I think also in that day and age like you can tell the youth is talking about it a lot more open than then I think we're similar with similar age so then we did so what kind of abilities Do you have and how did you start How did they your coaches help you to explore them Do they have the same abilities or is it still slightly down

Phoebe: 3:08

they're all different really and everyone that's in my circle is all quite different so I'm clairvoyant so I can say and I'm clear audience so I can hear and and at the beginning when I first started in my mediumship I just assumed I was clairvoyant I could just see and that was it. And almost as times gone on my clairvoyance has taken a bit of a step back and I hear much clearer which makes sense to me now at the time it didn't make sense I was like why am I just hearing I'm not seeing but I do a lot of channeled writing with spirits so it makes so much sense to me now what my clairaudience has to be stronger because I need to be able to channel that through hearing. And both my medium teachers are so different one is like they're like Yin and Yang. One is this beautiful, gentle, calm lady. And she's the she's clairvoyant. And then I've got my other teacher who is this really like strong, powerful woman, and she is a trance and transfiguration medium. So she does a lot of like, deeper work with spirit and brings a lot through. So yeah, they're both incredible in their own ways. Yeah, it's really

Laura Konst: 4:09

very different. Yes. And so for the people who are not that familiar with it, like what would you hear? And what would you see for example, for the people that are not very aware or don't really know what that is clairvoyance?

Phoebe: 4:24

Yeah, yeah, well, it's different for every medium, a lot of mediums can get things in like symbolism, and then it's up to them to kind of learn their book of symbolism in a way so like if they get shown a bunch of flowers all the time, they might realize that actually links to being a birthday like it's a gift for a birthday so then you can share that in your reading. In terms of when I bring people through for regions and love for loved one like loved ones that have passed over. They come and stand next to me so I can see them and it's almost like a projector screen so it's not as a physical like me and you as I see you now. It's like a projector screen and they stand there as they are And then I just hear them talking the whole time through my ear. So just one of my one ear. So they said, Yeah, so it just depends. And then some people see it so strongly, like, as you know, so physical, it just really depends other people just sense it. So they just have that feeling. Some people get a lot of the actual physical pains and emotions that that person felt. So it's really interesting. It's really interesting.

Laura Konst: 5:25

Yeah. Because you were talking about that your dad passed away in 2019. And that's where it started for you, as something beautiful came out of it, which is your book called The Gift. Yeah. And everybody can find on Amazon, I'll put a link in the description as well. And tell us about how, how was that process for you? And how did your book come about? your guess? And the channeling with your dad?

Phoebe: 5:51

Yeah. So it's a real interesting when my dad as a person as a soul was this hugely passionate kind of being he adored life, he was just like this energy bomb, who he just wanted everything in life. Like he just loved it all the connection, the love, and he always desperately wanted to write a book. But he obviously became too poorly he never got the chance to. And so I'd been working with him in spirit bringing him through for about, I'd say six months, maybe almost a year. And I kind of started like when I would hear him and I'd sit with him, writing kind of bits down that he'd share with me. And it was more just wisdom. I felt like God, this is just so incredible. Like, you can still share this stuff with me, I could send it to my mom, send it to my brothers, my sister and be like, Dad just shared this. And it would be really like, incredibly powerful words about, you know, like the gift in life and embracing stuff, even though it's you know, can be awful, which life can be as painful as brutal. But it's also incredibly, incredibly beautiful. So I'd have all these kind of bits coming in. And it kind of started just turning into this word document of all these paragraphs of things my dad had shared with me. Until one day I was sat with my laptop writing and he was like, you need to write the book for me. You need to write the book for me. And I was like, write the book for you. No, no, I don't have time to write a book like I don't I'm a mother. And I'm, you know, a psychic medium, I'm a coach, or do so many things are sinking. I don't have the time dad to bring this book together. But when I say we wrote a book, it was so simple. I simply put my fingers on my laptop, and it just flooded through easily. Like he was just talking, talking, talking. And I was just keeping up whilst I typed. Yeah, and it's really interesting. It would be like, I'd get to the end of a chapter and go to like, read it back. Because I almost wasn't even aware of what I'd written it would be Oh, I don't even know what I've written in that chapter. Does it even link to the next one, because I just read it was so obvious that it just wasn't me. I was just the channel for him. And so it turned out, I created it into a book. And there was a part of me that had that whole fear, like, Oh, am I gonna, you know, share this with people and they're going to be like, oh, Phoebe, like, you really think this is your dad? I'm not very sure. Like, I think maybe, you know, having a bit of a breakdown, or those kind of Yeah, insecurities came up. And it was so beautiful and incredible to have so many people kind of come back and be like, you can hear your dad in every word. Like you can hear your dad in every word it was. It's just him. The whole book is him. It's incredible. So it's an incredible thing to do.

Laura Konst: 8:21

So you felt almost you were like in a trance. At a time when you're writing, were you aware? Or were you actually in a trance or meditation state, depending how you want to call it? Yeah. And then just went and went and then sort of you came back. And then you realize what you've done. If that's the right description,

Phoebe: 8:40

it is similar to that, except I wouldn't have to do anything to get into the state. So a lot of the things when I want to channel staff, if I want to go meet my spirit guides, for example, I will go into a meditation or I will sit intentionally and bring them forward. But with my dad, it would simply be he almost saw like the light bulb on top of my head like Phoebe's ready to write, and he would come forward and it would be almost like how is it a bubble? So like nothing else. I mean, my kids were running around the kitchen. It was you know, chaos, my house is always chaos. But I would simply just be in that bubble of writing, like nothing would distract me at all. I could just clearly hear everything that needed to be written.

Laura Konst: 9:18

Wow, that is amazing. That's so powerful as well. Yeah, yeah. And I think that must have also given you the confidence that you do have these abilities that you have a child. I think a lot of children especially nowadays, we did talk about it briefly that they are so much more capable than we were the younger ones, and it must have been so scary that you thought okay, I'm weird. I'm a bit crazy, or like you just set yourself like oh, Phoebe's having a meltdown. But actually it's not. It's our spirit teams, which we'll come to in a minute. Why is the team that helped us? They help us right? Yeah, yeah. And did it help you with your grief as well that you could channel him

Phoebe: 10:02

massively like immensely I think and I I feel deeply when we are grieving which to me is a never ending journey it's not like there's going to be an end point where I will stop grieving over my dad I longed to have my dad back on the earth do you know what I mean? But there has to be a way that we can work through our grief and shift the emotion so we can't keep it in us if we keep it in us we become depressed we become negative we're disconnected. We can't channel freely we're not free flowing like we're meant to be so free flowing as the souls within human bodies but when we're blocked with so much of our stuff we just can't fit you can't we can't break through that So writing for me is huge alchemy is one of the most like insane releases that I could I cry like I have my blog as well where I write about grief I write about it so honestly so broadly like I don't hold back because grief is is it's horrific like some of the ways that we've lost our loved ones it's horrendous so I want to when I write I want people to know like you're not on your own in that like I get it I know it's incredibly incredibly hard but just express it like don't hide Don't worry we worry so much like oh people gonna get annoyed at me if I keep talking about my dad for example you know Am I should I be over it should I you know, try and be happier it's not about that like just be how you need to be and when I write I can be exactly my I can just be me like my truest self so that's why I find is so incredibly healing incredibly healing.

Laura Konst: 11:32

Oh, that's beautiful. And that's where you also then started coaching or where you did that? Did you do that before? Or did it came after the coaching with grief as well?

Phoebe: 11:43

Yeah, unfolded.

Laura Konst: 11:45

And how does that work in terms of connecting to the spirit team? Let's start at that basic so you were talking about a spirit team? You didn't have just one spirit guide you have a whole team and how do you know your team How did you get to know them?

Phoebe: 12:01

Yeah, so I believe like it my personal belief is that we all have more than one guide I feel that we have our main guide and then I feel that we have other guides that step in at times in our lives, or we need them Okay, so my original my main guide that brings people through when I do readings, that stands in a lot of the things that I need to be kind of like protected in he I have seen him well I met I first met him when I was a child. When one of my animals passed away weirdly, we just buried one of my animals and my mum and dad walked off and I remember the sun came down and just shined on top of where we just buried my cat and I was really upset I loved my cat she was like so precious to me. And the sunshine shone down on top of my cat I think I was about seven or eight years old and I looked over and I just saw for a quick second this outline of this man just stood next to where we just buried her but it didn't scare me it was the strangest thing normally I'd be terrified everything terrified me in spirit as a child but that didn't I felt incredibly like it's okay like you don't need to be scared and I just walked off and then when I started working with my two teachers they kind of almost they really encourage you to use your guides because our guides are here to be you know navigate a free lives they're that like inner voice you know when you're like should I do that or shouldn't I and it's like no no, I definitely shouldn't do that. That's your guides being like come on, like take this path don't take that path that's the wrong path go on this path make sure you stick to the path. And your guides have what connects spirit to humaneness like our earth realm vibrates lower than spirit you know spirit realm so they're like the connector of the two they bring people through and that's my main guide and then I've got a few other guides one of them is a lady that comes through she's I've only started to get to know her I'd say in the last six months but she comes through for a lot of my female empowerment stuff. And then I had a guide for a long time when I first started my writing for about a year that used to step forward and write with me because I'm dyslexic so I can't actually spell I can't really get my words in my head onto paper yet I can write a book and I can write my blog and it just comes easily so he comes forward and does that for me and they've all got their own personalities they're all you know like it's like meeting another person it's incredible I love my spirit team made me feel incredibly safe working with spirit

Laura Konst: 14:21

and and they all have their own name and do you also for example know where they come from? Do they come from like the earth the earth being I have to say their earthly bodies the last time they had an earthly body what time they come from or how did they dress so can you see that as well

Phoebe: 14:39

you see you could it depends on you as a person and it depends on the guide like you I one of my guides I know quite a lot about I do and I can draw I could draw him like I know so much. A few of my other guides I know very, very little I just simply see them as the presence that they are and then feel their words kind of channeled but I don't know where they've come from if they're on my ancestral bloodline, I don't know why they've been given to me. Some of them don't even give you give you the name. It just depends. Like if and I just believe if you mentioned older stuff, then you'll know and if you're not, then you're not meant to know just trust the whole process.

Laura Konst: 15:14

Yeah, trust the process. Exactly. That's how beautiful and do you actually know if your dad was also a psychic medium where he had clairvoyance or clairaudience or from your mom's side, or was it a bloodline?

Phoebe: 15:29

Yeah, it's not well normally it is always carried in bloodlines. So my mom she is a seer so she sees you know things in dreams she has kind of future downloads a lot she gets a lot of images my dad I feel that if he had been on the earth much longer he would have turned out discovering that he was a medium and but I don't think he ever went into his gifts because of its you know, its wasn't nowadays. Like I said, I've got my stepdaughter and it's so like trendy to be into spiritual stuff and crystals and you know, your chakras and like all of this stuff. They're talking about it, which is so cool. It's such a cool trend to have, you know, in at the moment, isn't it? Yeah, so you know, it just wasn't a thing like for me to say to any of my grandparents, or were you a psychic medium? They'd be like, absolutely not. And I wouldn't tell you anyway, like, they would put in like a nuthouse, you know, I mean, it wasn't like had to express themselves. In that way. You had to be this vision of, you know, what, what is normal in society, and being a psychic medium. So it's really hard to trace it back. Some people know, and it's amazing. I think it's incredible when you can trace it back along your bloodline. But I find it incredibly hard to get any answers about.

Laura Konst: 16:44

Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I'm sort of in that moment as well, too. I tried to discover things in my family. But it is hard. It's very hard. I don't my grandparents passed away unfortunately, way before I even my spirituality was this strong as is it now. But I wish they were here. And I haven't been able to channel them or anything myself at all. So I'm probably to help with that. But I am very curious. Have you know if they both kind of abilities are somewhere in my family?

Phoebe: 17:13

Yeah. So I find like my family bloodlines. Fascinating

Laura Konst: 17:17

with your spirit team. You also mentioned before we talked about about a spirit circle, your soul circle the soul circle? Yeah. Can you tell us about that?

Phoebe: 17:28

Yeah. So it's my belief that we all have our own soul circle. So our soul circle to me is that feeling when you meet someone in your life, I know I've been with you before in another life, I know that I meant to be on your path. Like we're very aligned to be together right now. And I really believe and this has become more and more obvious to me, as I kind of explore my grief journey, the longer it goes on, that we make agreements within our soul family before we come here. So we sit as a circle, and we kind of decide like, what roles we're going to play in one another's lives. What do I need to learn in this life? Where do I need to go? Where is my path gonna unfold? And how are you going to help me do that, and then we offer ourselves in different ways. So like, for my example, in my situation, my dad was, like I said, incredibly passionate about life. He was like my inspiration daily, like I was just so incredibly close as my best friend. And, and it was first so hard for me to ever get around. That is a really irritating phrase, everything happens for a reason. And when that gets used in grief, it's really insulting, because I get that. But as the time went on, I kind of could see how my journey was unfolding. And none of that would have happened, had my dad not passed. So I wouldn't have started writing about grief, I wouldn't have written a book about it, I wouldn't have started my coaching, helping people grieving, I wouldn't have started my female empowerment stuff. I wouldn't actually be the strong like individual that I am right now, in this very moment, had he not left the earth. So to me, it's just so incredibly obvious. It's deeply sad, like every time I say, it's hard for me to say, or do you think God I can't believe I even say that. But I do get why he had to leave. I get why he had to leave because I would not have been doing any of this stuff. Had he stayed I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have and then things wouldn't have escalated, I wouldn't have been able to help so many people. And so yeah, that's my belief in a soul circle of the soul family and our contracts we make with each other before we come here.

Laura Konst: 19:31

Yeah, I think that's such a beautiful thought. Very beautiful. And I think also people would wonder like, oh, but your dad was older. But I think we both agree that time doesn't exist. Mm hmm. Yeah. Hi, Mr. Human concept. Yeah. So for those who think, Oh, yeah, but dad was older and your grandma was old. Like why would you be how does that happen? But there is no such thing as time. It's a very difficult concept to think about, especially if you're not familiar. waited but i would i would recommend people just to calmly Think about your eyes and I think also for your baby for your mom who said that said things says she sees in the future but as a human future it's our it's a human future. It's not the universe's future because there's no such thing as time so you can just channel different lines in the universe.

Phoebe: 20:22

It's not Yeah, you don't have to push it just just allow yourself to travel into it, like what would be my solar group would have agreed before I came here, these things happened and when you can start to see that and a pattern in your life you can there's a deep acceptance that comes with the pain. Whilst it's still just as painful my grief is still just as painful I still longed to be of my dad I deeply deeply do. But there is a deep piece that I have around it because I know that you had to leave for me to be in this world to be kind of doing this work.

Laura Konst: 20:52

Yes. And do you also feel that you accept or you're not maybe afraid of the the mortality anymore? Hmm, you're saying?

Phoebe: 21:05

Yeah, I think the more you work with spirit, the less you feel scared about the end of life or death because you realize it's never the end. And all it is is a different space to where we are now where we are now as a soul in a human body is the earth when we leave the soul which is the essence of us it's the beautiful part of us are our human is literally just a case, which does an amazing job to carry us but that's all it is, are kind of the deepest parts of us the beautiful parts are our soul. So when we kind of leave our humaneness and we go to spirit which in my opinion we go home like that's our home in spirit that's where we are meant to be until we make those agreements again and then we come back maybe to Earth maybe to different spaces i don't know i see everything as a possibility I will never definitely be like this is how it works and that is it like I love learning and hearing other people's like things and experiences and what they've you know, I just I love it or think that to live in a way where we put ourselves in a box as a human and say this is the world this is life this is how it should be is a deep deep shame is a deep shame. And it's not forcing anything on anyone ever it's simply saying like just allow yourself to travel into other possibilities because there's such beauty in that when you can do that. It's an incredible incredible discovery.

Laura Konst: 22:24

Yeah and it's it brings a lot of self peace. I think especially in these times where things are very difficult there's so much discussion about everything to do with COVID and what to have a vaccination and all and it's all up to people themselves completely 100% but I think for those around me that I've been talking to the most people that are more spiritual and in touch with the spiritual world they have so much more peace within themselves to make their own choice but also to accept other people's choices.

Phoebe: 22:57

absolutely absolutely because you are a free soul so you don't you don't base how you move through life on anyone else like I don't look at somebody else now and I would have trust me I would have before my dad passed away and I would have compared my decisions be their decisions on every part of life not just to do with what we go through right now I would have put so I would have put you know my own worth behind because I'd be like well I should do that because it went out like literally it's very it's a crowded way to live whereas when you start embracing yes spirit the peace and that you like I said my spirit team I know I'm 100% guided backed up in life by my team and spirit by my dad and spirit and that gives you immense kind of grounding and safety on the earth you feel like it's fine whatever happens I know that it's the way it's meant to be it will all you know unfold how it should do like there's no fear there's no resistance is surrendering isn't it to like you know this just let it unfold?

Laura Konst: 23:53

Yeah, acceptance I think Yeah, acceptance from yourself from other beings. Even all the sentient beings like whether it's animals or plants or flowers and it brings enormous peace chill coaching stuff other people with grief. How did that come about it? Was it something that again that your spirit team told you to do? Yeah, did you feel it or that you said well you're talking to friends and they said oh my god, you should do something with this. Like,

Phoebe: 24:19

no, I sigh it's all spirit. Everything that I create within my work and how I move now in life is Spirit led so everything I do is Spirit led. And I we were in lockdown. Actually, it was February at the beginning of the year, we're still in lockdown. And I had huge cooling to start sharing not just my grief through my words, but in Facebook Lives in sessions in circles letting people connect. And at the time I was the most and I kid you not you can ask any of my close family and friends. The most nervous person about speaking on this type of thing on zoom or in person like any of that I'd be like Absolutely not. I would never do that. I don't want to do that. It scares me. And I just had this huge thing that you've just got to do it, you've got to do it, you've got to do it. And it did just start off doing a little page, I had an Instagram and Facebook, which was grief and spirit. And I do free mini messages for people that needed them, because that's lovely to give them that, you know, when they're missing their loved ones, I would do a couple of Facebook videos where I pre record stuff and talk about grief and absolutely be, you know, so nervous the whole way through. And it almost unfolded as time went on, you know, it grew bigger and bigger, I felt more and more in my power with what I had to speak about. It was almost like a realizing like I'm remembering in a way what I speak and what I share is, you know, it's valid, and it deserves to be shared, there isn't a fear around that. There's no resistance anymore. And it all came back to you know, we look into our how we were, you know, we grew up and things that happened to us in our teen years and things like that. It all came down to being scared to speak my truth because I was worried how people would see that, you know, sitting on social media and saying, Well, I'm a psychic medium. And I'm going to do this and it's there's a he there was a huge fear for me to do that. When people be like, Oh my god, what do you mean your psychic medium, like who are you, you know, there was only a couple of people that really knew how I connected to spirit. It's not something I shared, like hugely with people. But as soon as I worked through that whole resistance and that barrier, and I basically just ran into the fear regardless, unfortunately, I was just going to crash through this. It just unfolded. So yeah, I do so many different things. Now we've grief coach, and we have programs I do one to one coaching, and everything I do and I make it really quite clear. Everything involves spirit, I everything I do will always be with spirit, every call everything, everything I write everything I share Spirit come forward, my retreats spirit they're like, and it's not spirit in terms of all their loved ones, I mean, my guides, so they are there. And we do it as a collective. And it's like bringing the two worlds together for me. And if I don't do that, I don't feel balanced within what I'm working on. Okay, so I have to bring that other parts through. And it works that way for me.

Laura Konst: 27:08

And when when you do coaching or mentoring with someone, to your spirit team connect to their spirit team. So if they have questions about you know, whether whether their parents or grandfather have died, can you connect to their spirits?

Phoebe: 27:25

Yeah, yeah, so that would be more of like a reading. So if I did a private reading for somebody, and like any medium will tell you, you can't guarantee that your loved one is going to come through, it's really up to spirit, it's not up to us, we're simply just that vessel and channel. And but my guide will obviously come forward with the intention to bring somebody free from their family. And on other occasions, the person I'm reading for their guide has come through, and then shared messages about that person's path and journey with my guide, and then it's come through me to be able to share with them so just, I believe whatever you're meant to have at the time within a reading will be what happens, you know, you might get the person you really wanted to speak to on other times you might not and at the time, it might not make sense, you might be really upset and frustrated, or why didn't they come through. But everything I deeply, deeply believe is aligned to you at the time. And you just have to trust you just have to trust

Laura Konst: 28:18

until you some and we've had people that were really skeptic but so Okay, I'm going to try it to have a consultation with you. And then you baffled them, they're like, wow, this does exist.

Phoebe: 28:30

Yeah, and that happens a lot now not so much before but since we've had this whole lockdown, and people have been forced to kind of go within themselves and you know, we haven't been able to go outside and do the things we want to do is left people in life a deep reflection. And and it's allowed them to ascend in a way and open up themselves to the possibilities of their being more. And I've got friends that I've been friends with for years, years and years like childhood friends, and they've known that I've always been into you know, everything like that. It's always been you know, my thing. And every time we speak about it, they were like no, it's not for me, it's not for me, I just don't get it. I don't get it. I'm not interested. And I'm fine. That's fine. I'm so fine with that. However, they are now like fully in my world with everything to do with spirit. They've all got there are record decks, they're all staging their houses, they're all you know, trying to, you know, alkalizing and you know, when you're like I knew that you would get there, it's just up to Pete it's when it's their time, isn't it? We can't force anyone on any path. Same as me, I could have done my psychic mediumship from you know, being a child, but I didn't want to. And so we can only do things when it's aligned to us when it's meant to be. Yes, a lot more people are really starting to explore the world of spirit and everything that comes with it.

Laura Konst: 29:46

Yeah. And do you feel like they have also become more acceptance and more peace within themselves as well?

Phoebe: 29:52

Yeah, yeah. That's a huge awareness at the moment of how much we hold on ourselves as humans and I think that's all come from the lockdown, like I said, where we've had to go within and look at our darker parts and look at the things that really hold us back and really weigh us down. And I think that's really opened up a lot of people that are willing now to work through those things like I said, to become free moving, so that they can start you know, really living their sole mission. And I think it's a it's a real beautiful time really to work with spirit and be a medium. I think

Laura Konst: 30:24

so. Yeah, I think so. I think I'll bring you you would help a lot of people and bring a lot of peace in the world and the earth world especially. Yeah. And so people can find you on different platforms. Yeah, loaded every time every. Yes.

Phoebe: 30:40

I've got Yeah, I've got so grief and spirit on Facebook, and Instagram. And then I've got my female work, which we're going to talk about later, which is on a different account, which I can share.

Laura Konst: 30:54

The Commonwealth I put everything anyway on the descriptions as well. And also your book, which is it has a very, very good reviews as well. I see. I love it. Yeah, there's

Phoebe: 31:07

beautiful reviews. I'm really deeply grateful, actually. And on my blog. Yeah. Which is no textbook. So yeah, you can read that as well if you are on your own grief journey.

Laura Konst: 31:17

Yeah, I think that's very, very helpful. Thank you so much. And we can talk for hours. I know we that's what we did before. We'll definitely come back to the podcast because we've discovered quite a lot of topics now that she can share with us. The next one will with Phoebe will be with female empowerment and not quite sure when that one will launch will be launching but obviously we'll keep you up to date. Yeah, thank you so much, Phoebe for this. I've learned a lot and I can't wait to speak to you next. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for listening to Tali and Loz podcast. Next week we have Victoria talking about dragon energy. See you then